Emrox 2013-04-14 17:54:36

This probably isn't the best place to drop a huge newspost about youtube, but hey It's my blog so I'll vent if I need to.

Lepy 2013-04-14 18:06:34

This should probably be posted everywhere.

Kreid 2013-04-14 18:10:31

I suppose people are more willing to click on something familiar in the sidebar that they can relate to off the bat, but the scale this ends up at takes the piss as you say. No real reward for creativity, whereas the less creative "animators" can amass huge followings. (I'm looking at you, "how it should have ended")
Same is unfortunately true with Game Grumps animated, as funny as some of them can be when done properly, there are so many that have just been crapped out...

NATA 2013-04-14 18:16:59

Well said, sir.

francisyfl 2013-04-14 18:31:58

its not really sacrificing your artistic integrity, some people really like doing video game parodies or parodies in general. Some people are just not dying to do original stuff ya know ? and viewers are just not crazy about watching original stuff, thats basically it. Let me put it this way, some cartoons, good cartoons, get 2 or 3 seasons, the simpsons, family guy etc have had a bunch, why ? cause they are relatable, they make pop culture jokes, in a way, thats doing parodies, people relate to it. Like" hahaha oh yeah i remember that part of that game" or "hahaa ohhh yeah i remember that funny thing from that other funny thing". Its just how it is. There are some ocassions where original stuff gets the oportunity to shine, FilmCow stuff for example, cause its unexpected and all that but even they use pop culture references sometimes. So i dont know, just give it a little bit of time, you got friends, you got fans, people will share your stuff, we like your stuff.

Sorry for the long response.

DaSeriousTurtle 2013-04-14 18:33:33

For the most part I agree.

Deemo-R 2013-04-14 18:50:50

That's pretty much the case with YouTube these days. Subscriptions continue to get more and more frivolous and selective as time goes on. =/

Still, it never hurts to at least have your stuff there for whoever DOES regularly check it out. If there's no harm in it, might as well have it on the side.

IzunaX 2013-04-14 18:55:14

"I suppose people are more willing to click on something familiar in the sidebar that they can relate to off the bat, but the scale this ends up at takes the piss as you say. No real reward for creativity, whereas the less creative "animators" can amass huge followings. (I'm looking at you, "how it should have ended")
Same is unfortunately true with Game Grumps animated, as funny as some of them can be when done properly, there are so many that have just been crapped out..."

I do think that all is reduced to people feeling identified with something, either because they like X or because Y is "omg so true/funny", but the creator is just playing captain obvious, or worse, being completely retarded. So for X, it's any parody and for Y, it frequently is acting retarded or creating retarded characters so... Let's not think when they're both. Parodies are just an example of the horrible state of entertainment on internet.

The real problem is that quality ends, at best, as the cherry on the top while the friggin' topic/series/etc. turns out as the "meat" of the work. Like, when a book is good when it is properly written rather because is has, for example, cool people. It should be the opposite, totally.

RWappin 2013-04-14 19:09:35

Methinks in order to get attention with something that isn't Pokemon, Minecraft or any of those other things, you'd have to make something seriously fucking groundbreaking. Possible, but not easy.

Twisted4000 2013-04-14 19:33:31

What I've learned is that a lot of it is just luck. You can make a nice video, but if YouTube decides for it not to appear in any related searches, no one is going to be able to find it, so you won't get any subscribers from it, and therefore you'll be written off as a bad animator by most people. Now if YouTube DOES magically make it appear in related searches, well golly, you're the best animator ever!

deathink 2013-04-14 19:34:13

Yeah, man... I know how yo feel, really i do, its something that seems to rear its ugly head at me all the time.The idea that I could "make crap" and get 100000909090998980989 views or I can make something truly great and maybe get much less. I even had this conversation with Tom once. But I will tell you what I told him. Britny Spears is a billionaire, and Tesla and Lovecraft died broke. You don't have to die broke, but just because your not rich, it doesn't mean your not great, and just because you are rich doesn't mean you are great. And if you try really really hard, you can be rich and great.

francisyfl 2013-04-14 19:46:34

Yeah, hm i agree with your point, i guess its not just people that have the fault, internet media too, video game stuff gets shared really easily on websites like dorkly, smosh, etc and on their social media accounts. Thinking about it, that thought has crossed my mind at least 50 times "fuck it, i ll get a million views if i do this shitty thing that will cost me almost no effort"

MindChamber 2013-04-14 19:59:11

while I do agree with your statement with the video game parodies and such. Theres one thing to remember, if its not amazingly funny people simply wont pass it around, cause the real objective here is, THEY want to look cool for sharing a funny video.

There;s too many amazing and funny animators that don't resort to video game parodies to list them all, but blame on your latest video not going viral can't simply be placed on that. There's a chance it just simply wasn't that funny.

VicariousE 2013-04-14 20:04:33

There was a time Egoraptor and others, hated YouTube for stealing our videos and generally being bereft of heart. The heart of NG is structured to be a community without borders, while the big sites are just attractive looking slums. Sometimes I think NG's tag-line should be "We give a shit.", and that's our advantage, and weakness. Either way, we're all fighting the Google search engine for hits, I guess. Dunno about Twatter. Then there's the part about getting paid for what you're doing, which is the main reason I can't get too pissy about the likes of Egoraptor, but he's a prime example of the brass ring the producers here seem to be chasing.

Anyway, it's a complex problem and there's only so much staff can do, to get our artists exposure :\ I had the thought that, if the NG pages on YouTube and Twitter were more aggressively operated, it would help with getting more hits the folks who publish here. Bad move, good move? Pico day is coming, and I'm sorely tempted to discuss this and other matters when I'm there.... what would you have me say, please?

ganon95 2013-04-14 20:10:53

people tend to follow popular trends. make something new and original and it usually gets ignored. make something based off of something popular and you get views.

I have been adding some of my older music to my youtube and almost all the remixes i posted are rising in views while some of my original stuff stays at a few hundred views or so, even though they were much more popular on newgrounds.

The only thing I really 'like' about having my own youtube channel is I can get views on something from another source other then the original post.

I do agree that some things that deserve views never seem to get any

Bindy 2013-04-14 21:31:43

I know that as a fan, I like to see creative takes on something I already love, be it parodies, drawings, skits and whatnot and look specifically for those things. If there is other stuff, I may or may not watch it. The reasons I wanted to watch X fan item might not mesh with the other content. For instance, if someone who did parodies, suddenly added a bunch of lets plays, I would probably bail.

Parodies and other takes on existing media have a built-in fanbase actively seeking out more content to consume. If something is already massively exposed, like Pokemon more people are going to be looking for Pokemon related things. They'll also have the source material context for anything they watch. Original work usually doesn't have that same advantage when it comes to getting views and searching "original animation Topic X" is kind of like shooting in the dark. Having something familiar as a gateway to original content has been practically the only way I've seen original stuff off of Newgrounds. I've also stumbled across some pretty awesome original work because it just happened to be related to something. (ESMA is friggen awesome)

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