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Plans for the next decade + Music

Posted by Emrox - October 3rd, 2021


One month ago today I turned 25! A while ago I used to do a post-mortem every year of the stuff I did in the past year, but I have very little to report other than "a bunch of animation work." Instead, I'm going to talk about the future for a sec, and then talk about a little side project I've been toiling away at for a few years now.


Something I noticed when I was younger is how eager a lot of young people are to embark on insane and overly-ambitious projects. It makes sense - if you've been doing something like animation for 6 years and you've only been alive for 16, that just feels like a giant chunk of your life and it's easy to start thinking it's time to get to work on your magnum opus or whatever. I noticed this, of course, because I had made this mistake several times, and funnily enough zero of those projects ever got past the pre-production stage. Same with anyone else I've ever heard talk about their big epic masterpiece at age 16 - they pretty much never get past 10% completion.


Then, with just a little more age and perspective, you look back at your skill level when you attempted to do the big ambitious project and think "man, that would have been a huge waste of time if I ever finished it - I sucked!" And then you realize that relative to where you could be in the future, you probably still suck and probably should not start any more big epic projects any time soon. It feels like it would be a better use of time to just work on skill-acquisition and do lots of little projects to get more experience and find your voice or style.


That's where I'm at now, and today I'm going to double-down on making the present moment the "learning phase" of my life by announcing a new long-term goal for improvement: I am going to learn more in the next ten years than I did in the last ten.


In other words, whatever the difference in quality of work was between ages 15 and 25, I am going to try and beat that between 25 and 35. This will probably be pretty hard for a few reasons:


1. There's less to learn. You know, 'cause I already learned a lot of it.*

2. Younger people just pick stuff up a lot quicker. There's some biological explanation for this about some protein in your brain that stops producing as you get older, but I have my own theory that I think is a pretty big piece of the puzzle: older people are more self-aware about how shitty they are at the thing they're trying to learn, and it's way way easier to get discouraged. Not only does this make it easier to go "I can't do this I quit," but it puts you in a mental space where you take less risks, and you gotta be willing to fuck up a lot if you want to make substantial progress. (I could talk about this a lot more but I'll save it.)

3. You get tired quicker


On all fronts I think the only way to overcome these hurdles is to just work harder than I have in the past. Which gives me some hope - I'm pretty lazy as is, so working a little harder is well within reason. If you have any tips about that sort of thing please share! Even if it's just some bruce lee quote or whatever. It's kinda hard to weed out the good advice from the self-help charlatans when it comes to "motivational" stuff or just advice on doing hard work, so if there's anything you can think of that has had a real and lasting impact on you I'd like to hear it!


The reason I'm announcing this ten-year goal publicly is to give myself some accountability, but maybe my deciding to do this will inspire some of you to do the same. A lot of people kind of stop getting better at their craft after college-age, or even regress, so here is my pledge to not do that! [If something radically changes like I lose my arm in a car crash or get a stroke, this pledge is void.]


The rest of this post was actually written two months ago, but I couldn't post it because it references stuff that wasn't out yet. Now it's all been released, so here!:


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One day about four years ago I was thinking about how there are a few artsy things that I would like to get good at before I die, and I got to thinking about what the right "order" might be for attacking them. It occurred to me that if I ever wanted to do music, I should pick it up while I'm still young since, for whatever reason, musicians overwhelmingly seem to peak at a young age - between 18 and 30. And so, with next to no experience in music-making under my belt, I started trying to write songs.


Here's a very early one


Four years later I'm still at it. I've done a few collaborative releases with friends, but most of the stuff I've made is unreleased. Most of it is really not that good. But every once in a while, something will have a little glimmer of something interesting, and so the game is to grab hold of those little interesting things, and collect them and refine them and find tidy little homes for them next to the other interesting things, and eventually have enough interesting things to compose a thoroughly interesting song, and eventually have enough thoroughly interesting songs to stitch together a totally bitchin debut LP.


That has been the goal since the beginning, and so far I have exactly one song that is good enough for the LP.


I'm starting a new paragraph to give the last sentence a little extra punctuation. That's a little writer's trick. Did it grab your attention? Good, because it was an extremely misleading statement. At the rate I'm going you might think the album will take 40 years. I designed my writer's trick to make you falsely assume this. In reality, the album had like seven songs at one point and then after I finished the eighth one, I decided that that one should be the new bar for how good the songs should be, and everything else got canned. That's also not the first time such a thing has happened. So most of the process of making this album will actually be the process of my learning to make music, and then once I can make a whole bunch of songs that all meet an equally high standard of competence, I'll have something to share with the world.


...Actually, I do have some stuff to share right now, too! I like to do a lot of fuckaround stuff (in fact it's crucial to the learning process, at least for me) and every once in a while I'll release some of it under a wacky pseudonym on me n' my friends' crappy bandcamp page!


The Connecticut Hungry Tapes - a few months ago I challenged myself to record one song every day before breakfast. Many days I did not eat until 3 pm. Here are the highlights of that experiment, which I just released yesterday. I like a lot of it! **

Een! and Een! 2 - Me n Reid made these in one day each. You can even tell!


I also worked on a few albums in an exquisite corpse sort of process with some other friends I met right here on newgrints! If you're only going to listen to one thing I link here, make it this:

Exqs 3 - The Others Are Here


The second one was also good

 

It seems like the hot trend now is for all your favorite internet toonists to decide they are also bedroom pop musicians, so if I want to eventually release anything "real" it's going to have to be pretty good or I'll be "just another guy who did all the usual internet artist stuff" instead of "the guy who did x and y and z and they ALL kicked ass." And because I'd hate to be that first guy, I've been devoting a lot of time and energy to trying to be good at this music thing - good enough that you won't just hear it and think "wow that's pretty good for a guy who is mainly an animator and video games guy", good enough that upon hearing it you will forget about me, the animator/video games guy, and just think "wow that's pretty good." Or even, "really good," and proceed to repeatedly listen to it as if it were something you heard on your spotify discover weekly.


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(Present Day) I know most people will not be too interested in the music stuff, since music especially seems to be the sort of deal where it either is or isn't "your thing" and there's way too much of it out there to be bothered with some guy who is still "just learning," but if you're big into experimental art-project stuff, or have a taste for things that are a little rough around the edges or outsider-y, you might find something you like in there. If you're intrigued but don't have the time or patience for a full album, people have said these specific tracks were good.


If you listen to any of that and there's a song or sound or moment you think is cool, let me know! It's always neat to see where my tastes align or don't with the people who listen. The last song I linked almost got left on the cutting room floor because I thought it was too shitty, but bobby liked it so I left it in.


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* I mean not really, because there's a practical infinity of stuff to learn, and infinity minus anything is still infinity, but once you learn all the basic stuff everything just takes a lot more work to understand, so that's really what I'm talking about here.

** As of 10/3/2021 I am the only person to purchase my own album on bandcamp, because I wanted it on my phone. It looks really sad.

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Very ambitious! Personally I feel even making plans for the next six months in this day and age is bound to end in disappointment, due to having to drop whatever you’re doing over some outside thing you can’t control. Probably pessimistic, yes, but I remember starting off the year 2020 making big plans about being more social and meeting more people irl, and you know why that didn’t work out for me…regardless, in the case of art and animation, it is extremely important to be able to pick up new software and techniques, so your plan for the next decade actually sounds similar to mine of at least learning a new piece of software a year, starting with Unity.

I remember being particularly inspired by a video of Glen Keane working his magic on the then-new Oculus Rift (or was it HTC Vive?), so if this traditional pen-and-paper animator could still pick up new skills well into his 60’s, then I have no excuse at age 27 to not pick up any new technology/techniques myself. I do think people have to spend most of their time mastering a skill they’re already decent at while saving other skills/hobbies for their day off. If you want a job in the cut-throat entertainment industry, you can’t by simply by being passable at a lot of things—you need to excel at one thing, while also being decent at everything else…

Re: making big plans is dangerous - that's why I like to leave long-term goals sorta vague, more of a direction to head in than a specific destination. In fact, the last really big project I had a hand in was developed the same way - by experimenting and being flexible and feeling out the end product instead of dreaming up a big idea and trying to execute perfectly on it. Then it grew to be a very ambitious project, but it actually got finished and it actually came out good - and it was totally the sort of thing we had set out to find when we picked out our direction in the beginning. (If that's too abstract to make sense, it was a game called Trail Mix (free on itch.io!) and one of the other guys on the team wrote a blog post about the process we used to arrive at the game idea: https://gamedesign.sheridanc.on.ca/coojohnl/2018/10/11/exploratory-design-and-prototyping-coding-quickly-and-openly/ )

i disagree with less to learn. i think at 40 i've learned more as of late than i did in past years, thnx covid. but i am also at my most productive i have been in ages.

kudos for your music endeavors! havent tried that one yet. luv u M

Is there anything you did to get to be more productive, or did it just sorta happen? Also thanks for reading my wall of text Luis!

@Luis @Emrox sorta happened. I think i forgot what a giant missing piece was created when we were quarantined and i couldnt do any of what was the centerpiece of my lifestyle. Travel, goto bars, meeting new people. So being on my own so much, i gravitated to online life and this website and making stuff. So it was kind of good in that way.

RE: 2. "Younger people just pick stuff up a lot quicker."

Sometimes.

I'll get extensive b/c I know you like to read and dive deep

1. When I was on my neuroscience hobbyist reading kick, I read about Jean Piaget's theory of cognitive development. Search 'Assimilation vs Accommodation' - "By the time most ppl are 5 years old they have accumulated ~80% of the vocab that they'll use for the rest of their lives." Assimilators are rigid, B/W thinkers, inflexible. Where as accommodators create new space in their minds to allow new information. Assimilators relate new concepts to old ones, eg: "Same shit different day", "reminds me of X", "the sequel was the same thing as the last one".

Creative ppl typically are accommodators and a special bunch. You're one of them (don't let that go to your head).

2. The brain doesn't even finish developing until around mid 20s, 25 or so. Theoretically, you are now equipped to reach even greater heights

Its great you're trying new things. Good luck MARTY

Thanks Tyler! I hope all is well. I looked up assimilation and accommodation, I think I get the idea. Any recommended reading from ur neuroscience kick?

Im great, thanks! Hope you are well too :)

RE: "Any recommended reading [?]"-

Its a DENSE subject.

IMO, the best/most relevant and applicable entry to neuroscience w/ modern, real world examples is:

https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Virtual-Reality-Your-Head/dp/163868023X/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

I find it particularly interesting with regards to how the brain interfaces with technology (which is also tactically useful for us online creators)

Read it and see if you want to dive deeper later

Cool! I'll check it out

I was already a big fan of your animation work for a long long time, and I gotta say, since most of your public stuff (that I know of, lmk if I'm being kind of a big ignorant idiot) became animation work for pencilmation I've cultivated a feeling of "he's better at the animation thing everyday, but I wonder what he'd do with more time and no restraints as personal work" towards you. I know this can sound kinda shitty and brash but hear me out. I swear I believe I have something nice and constructive to say.

I listened to 5 albums from your bandcamp over the past 2 days, I am currently halfway through Beachwave and decided to write while listening to it, it's a pretty cool experience I'm having. There's a lot of chaos, some explicit experimentation, and some stuff that sounds absolutely genius to me. I've been on Newgrounds for more than a decade, and I've always thought most of the audio portal felt a bit... same-y, like there's only "electronic" and "metal". There's a lot of good and awesome musicians and producers, but I feel most of it is electronic music, with a classic video game music vibe to it (which is great in itself for sure) but I miss the EXPERIMENTAL soul that permeates the flash portal(outside of the usual waves of pop culture parodies and hentai of course). I've been finding some cool singersongwriter stuff here, lots of stuff I love (https://www.newgrounds.com/playlists/view/1d21d4449110dfc8efc07b66caf3aaac) but nothing super crazy I suppose. Your music projects feel like what I've been yearning to see more of on the audio portal all these years.

It feels like you figured out animation, or at least what you like/want to do with animation for now, and you're jumping more and more into figuring out your musical self now, and oh shit it feels awesome. I'll listen through the remaning stuff on your bandcamp and maybe bug you more somewhere else telling you how inspiring it's been. Damn I've even opened up photoshop and started painting and screwing around just for fun, and I haven't really been doing none of that fun art for the sake of art thing for a few weeks now. Thanks for the inspiration, dude!

I feel like I'm rambling but maybe you'll like something I've said, or maybe you'll dislike it, idk. feel free to yell at me. I'm sleepy and I'm just gonna press enter.

Hope you keep creating motivated either by yt ad money for food or because you got a musical nerve itching, and I hope I can chat with you someday and drum on glass bottles or some shit.

Ah! Thanks a lot man, it's really cool to hear someone out there has been keeping tabs after all these years! Going to try to respond to everything in order -

Other than the pencilmation stuff (actually I stopped doing those at the start of this year) and music stuff, I very rarely put stuff out. I even stopped tweeting mostly, 'cause fuck twitter. It makes sense that I have very little presence on the net now 'cause I'm busy with jobs and trying to learn new stuff and am trying to break the social-media addiction, but it makes me sad that I don't have stuff to share anymore! I totally will be back with some sick stuff eventually, so hopefully some people will still remember me when that day comes.

Re: "I wonder what he'd do with more time/no restraints" fuck man I wonder that like every day of my life. Right now I'm working two freelance jobs, but I've got a weird plan to switch to doing my own shit full time when those gigs end, maybe a year or so from now. The silver lining with working jobs is that having other obligations makes you value every hour of the day, which is helpful to me cause I'm lazy, and I wonder if I'll be as productive as I think I would be if I was left to do my own shit every day.

Thanks for listening to those albums! Beachware/wave are very shitpost-y, so I'm surprised to hear anyone has made it "halfway through" one of them! I mean I still like them, but one of those tracks is literally just a beach boys song played over itself at 3 speeds.
Now that you mention it, I also wish the audio portal had more wacky shit on it! Like the flash portal always had so much good fuckin-around stuff and spam on it, but that seems rare over in the audio portal. Not that I really spend much time there, anyway... but that's probably part of the reason why!
Anyway, glad you like some of the music we've made! If there are any standout tracks in there it would be cool to hear which ones you liked best! I'm gonna listen to the full thing but that playlist is sick. Some really good hidden gems in there.

It made me smile to hear our albums made you want to go make something - that's like one of my favorite things to come away from something with. I remember a long time ago when I heard vaporwave for the first time it made me go animate a weird trippy-looking thing - not related to their retro-aesthetic visuals at all but just a unique product of the mental space it put me in. I think if I had to choose between making stuff that would put people in awe and make them bow down me and making stuff that makes people invigorated to go make their own thing, I would pick option 2 (but I guess I wouldn't mind the first one either, heh.)

I had the open tab but just read it nooow.
A couple of years back I was also on a 'bigger project' phase, managed to get a few things done. But more recently I've also moved more towards 'work and practice' phase, expecting to improve for the next chance to officially start something more ambituous, so I guess it's a similar track.

As for tips for 'working harder' these may be common/generic but have worked well for me:
-If you can, try not working from home, going to a co-work place or something like that, it helps a loot to focus.
-Lists! doing monthly/weekly lists of stuff to achieve on a whiteboard, one side has the (more 'mandatory') 'job stuff', and the other side the 'personal projects'. Keeping in mind that even if you end up just finishing 3 out of 5 items, it's still good to keep you aware of your progress.

The bit about future plans reminds me of a Plypmton book where he mentions a point in his life where he made some general (and ambituous) plans for his career (just found the intro, p17)
https://books.google.cl/books?id=u5Go1ZEY2cMC&pg=PA17&lpg=#v=onepage&q&f=false
As he points out, stuff didn't work out completely, but it's nice to see how it still pushed him in an overall good direction.

Keep it up! ;)

Oh man I've always wanted to do the "work somewhere else" thing but those co-op places are pretty expensive around here so I never bothered. :p Then at some point someone on twitter pointed out that you can literally just bring a laptop to the library and it's the same thing, which I would really like to try but libraries are still half-closed where I live - you can get books but then you gotta get out. I've tried to do weird thingies to trick my brain into thinking I'm working somewhere else, like working in a space in my apartment specially designated for working, or taking a walk around the block every day before I start as if I'm "walking to work" but none of that has done the trick yet.

I have kept lists though, and that's very helpful! Something that really changed things for me was just deciding what I would do that day every day before breakfast (also, mandating you do stuff "before breakfast" is a really good trick for getting yourself to do something every day) - and as long as I'd made enough things for myself to do that day I would be generally productive throughout the day. BUT if the workload was too light I might procrastinate all day and do nothing, so you gotta pick a good number of things to do. THEN if you can get it all done and still have some daylight left, you can enjoy the rest of the day guilt free! My least favorite thing about working freelance is the looming feeling that "I should be working right now" and accomplishing all the stuff you set out to do that day sorta cures that, which allows you to watch tv sometimes and not feel like shit, which is nice to be able to do.

Hey, Em! It's been a decade. Hope you're well and your album is doing great! I'm on this crazy nostalgia trip before 2023 arrives. Glad you're living life with retrospect. I had a blast listening to your stuff. Funnily enough I also became a musician and matured into becoming a cinematographer.

Hit me up on my instagram if you use any of the social media things. Let's chat and catch up!
instagram.com/nikitavoitov_

Hoooly shit I feel like just two weeks ago I was wondering what became of you. Glad to see you're still doing sick art stuff!

I'm not on IG sadly, but I'm on Twitter sometimes, discord all the time, and a checker of email if any of those work for you? Would love to see/hear what you've been up to!

@Emrox Twitter never grew onto me so idk I can write you an e-mail I guess!