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Posted by Emrox - December 27th, 2020


I wrote this post a few weeks ago & didn't post it because I was kind of moody when I wrote it, and I don't like subjecting people to my moodiness. (Actually that's too charitable - really I don't like having my moodiness archived on the internet for the indefinite future.) Today I read it again in slightly lifted spirits, and I still think it's interesting, so here it is. The title is kind of pretentious but I couldn't think of a better one (suggestions welcome).


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When I was young I had it firmly in my mind that I was going to do something *important* with my life, and I believe now that this was my way of dealing with that youthful existential dread that arises when you first grasp the reality of the fact that you, like everyone else, will someday die. The thinking goes that if you have some visible influence on the overall trajectory of life on Earth, then your presence will be felt long after you die, and your life will be just a little less meaningless overall. Of course then some smart aleck will point out that if you wait long enough everyone will die, the universe will end, and at this cosmic scale your existence would have meant just as much as if you'd died the moment you were born. In spite of this being probably true, the idea of making a difference and living through your influence on the world still "works" as a cure for the common existential cold, for as long as you believe it.


I don't think I've ever asked other people about this, but I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of people out there who have thought the same way, and had had their ego stroked enough as a child to be totally convinced that, yes, they were destined to do something VERY important, and by fulfilling their destiny as an important person they wouldn't have to pay mind to the reality of dying and being completely forgotten as time marches ever onward without them.


For the people whose peace of mind hinges on the idea of eventually having greater cultural significance, you might start having some unfortunate revelations around your mid-20s. One - that there really is no guarantee that you will succeed at the thing you're trying to do. There are probably millions of stories of people devoting their whole lives to some cause that they felt would be their big contribution to humanity, only to die before anyone takes notice. We don't hear these stories because these people were not famous. Actually, if you're looking hard enough you can find them, and they are depressing.


Two - some people succeed wildly at the very thing they set out to do, only to find that, with all their power and influence, they have not quelled the voice in their head saying "maybe this is all a waste of time." I don't know what was going through Kurt Cobain's head when he shot himself, but my best guess is it was some cocktail of said voice and a refrain from Automatic For The People. I have had a milder version of this, having worked on a cartoon show that was apparently seen by many millions of kids. You'd think this would give you some kind of lifetime self-satisfaction buff, but the warm feeling goes away in like a week.


Three - the realization that you are probably not the best choice of person who should have that level of influence over that many people. In a world of 7 billion people, the chances that your unique voice should really be heard by millions - such that they spread your teachings and carry your legacy long after you die - seems a little far fetched, even if you were the "best drawer" in your 3rd grade art class. True, no one can do exactly what you do in exactly the way you do it, but there is probably someone a little smarter, more empathetic, more eloquent, and a little more deserving of the audience, and I think we can agree that the world would be a better place if everyone else got out of the way and let these people speak. (Then again, the bar for what society will present to millions of people is disturbingly low, so maybe it's not so bad for the pretty-good guys like me to take their shot, at least for now.)


It was probably easier to deal with abstract existential fears back in the stone age - or maybe they didn't exist, because back then there were more literal existential fears such as "cold," "no food," and "big snake." But at least back then people didn't have to confront the reality of there being 7 billion people on earth who also would like to feel important. Back then, the world, for all you knew, consisted of the people in your immediate surroundings, some other guys you met once or twice in your travels, and maybe some other other guys you haven't run into yet. And in that context, it's not hard to feel important. If you are, in your mind, 1/200th of the population of earth, that's kind of a big deal. To have an equivalent sense of self-importance today, you would have to affect more people than are currently alive in the US. (Or, technically, you would have to BE everyone in America, and then affect vastly more people.)


There's a lot of people touting the evils of smartphones and social media - citing stuff like the increase in teen suicide following the iPhone boom, and a lot of that is attributed to the whole slot-machine-in-your-pocket thing. And it is evil that tech companies are exploiting people like that, but maybe a big part of social-media-depression isn't just about twitter hijacking your dopamine receptors - maybe it's that now we all must confront the reality of the vast sea of other people who also want attention. 7 billion is a bitter pill to swallow for anyone who wants to feel significant, but when you're bombarded daily with random samples from the sea of people, and you can see their bedrooms and dogs and five-o-clock shadows, the bitter pill becomes thick and spiky as you realize that these people have exactly the same disease as you - the need to be seen and to feel important, regardless of how distinguished they really are, or how much they really deserve to be seen. Unconsciously, you get a vivid picture of how big and real that 7 billion figure really is. Consciously, you realize that your feelings of self-importance don't come from some objective assessment of your own self-worth - it's just something everyone gets by default.


Getting over the self-importance thing is probably just a part of growing up, and I'm probably only doing it now because I got a lot of positive feedback for most of my life. It's kind of ironic that the people we see on our screens probably only got there because they were able to hold onto that ego just long enough to succeed for real (or they really were a one-in-seven-billion talent, but that seems to be the minority.) And so the people with all the influence are these weird, arrogant, anomalous people who are mostly delusional and disconnected from the reality of most people's lives - even though they are the people who purported themselves to be voices of great importance to the greater population.


So I've become a bit disillusioned lately, but you know what - at least I'm an artist! I have my whole life to prove myself wrong by doing something meaningful. If I played football I would be so fucked right about now. I can't imagine how bad it must feel to age out of the only thing that gave your life meaning. Or like, you get one injury and your whole scheme gets derailed and you turn into Uncle Rico.


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I have a great respect for culinary artists - there's a real humility to someone creating art that will be enjoyed by exactly one person, for exactly one moment, never to be eaten again. He can make the same dish again, of course, but they will all be subtly different, and when he dies, that's it. Paintings can live a pretty long time and books can last as long as the language they were written in, but great cooking will always die with the chef. He can hand you the recipes, sure, but to execute on that sort of thing at a high level you need to have technique - at which point the art is more yours than the original author's. In any case, their capacity to leave a "legacy" is pretty limited. Maybe some people will write about the great chef and pass along some of their unique insights, but people 100 years from now will never taste the greatest steak cooked today. It is only for now, and that's perfectly fine. Actually, It doesn't even have to be the greatest, and that would still be fine.


So here's a journal entry. A pretty good steak, from me to you, right now, in the present moment. Maybe you hate it, but the joke's on you because you read it, and I have subtly affected your life, and that means I win.


12/06/2020


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Present day Marty again. I want to add one more bullet point to this so no one thinks the takeaway is "you're going to fail and you should just give up" - which, to be clear, is not at all what I was trying to say. It is still important to try. If 10,000 people try to do something significant, and only 100 of them actually do, those 100 wouldn't have done anything if all 10,000 decided it was too unlikely. And of course, before they succeed, no one knows if they're in the 1% or 99%, which is why it's important that everyone tried, even if 99% of them failed. I think it is noble to try and fail, and that is what I will continue to probably do. For the record, I also don't think the numbers are nearly that bad, since there is a lot of stuff to do and comparatively few people who are serious about doing it.


To clarify, my point in writing this wasn't to wallow in self-pity or spread negativity in that depression-fueled "hey man I'm just being real" kind of way - I wanted to look specifically at the feeling of wanting to make an impact, as I believe it's something that a lot of artists have that helps them to aim high, and is a weird thing that both propels you to do your best work but can also cripple you with self-doubt. I don't really hear people ever talk about this, probably because any talk of self-importance can seem arrogant or egotistical, and so, to appear humble, we the arrogant & egotistical don't speak openly about this stuff because it's just too unflattering. But I still think it's an interesting thing to think about, and even in the event that I'm in a minority of people who have thought about themselves this way, I am not above mining my own character flaws for interesting content.


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Hey man, don't bag on Uncle Rico! That guy could throw a pigskin a quarter mile!

But seriously, great post. If your age is accurate on here, we're close in age range (within 10 years anyway) and I was brought up with the same mentality as you- "you can do anything you put your mind to," "you're sure to succeed and change the world," etc. I totally get where you're coming from.

I was in the "gifted" program in elementary school and separated from the rest of the class based on my grades and silly crap like that. In fact, I remember one incident in middle school where I was sitting with my friends at lunch (my friends were the kids who spent their time mixing massive amounts of ketchup, mayo, and chicken patties into a stew and smearing it on the seats next to them) and one of my teachers came over to me and said "Why are you sitting with these guys? Come with me, you should be at this table." And put me with the "A" students- I felt so embarrassed by the whole thing & went back to sit with my weird "D" student friends the next day.

But yeah, I had that "special snowflake destined to change the world" story drilled into my head from an early age and I totally bought it hook, line, and sinker. What did I know? They were adults telling me that I was special, so they must be right- right?

Ha!

Like you said, after college in the mid-20s I ran into real life and found that wasn't true at all. At the time I was obsessed with filmmaking, but I quickly learned that wasn't a viable career path. The 40 or so short films I'd made weren't worth a nickel to an employer so I ended up getting a "real" job.

My friends and family are either laughing behind their hands at how stupid I was or scratching their heads in confusion as to why I'm not the famous movie director they told me I'd be since about 5th grade.

At least that's what my egotistical brain told me for a few years until I came to the conclusion you reached- we are all going to die and none of it matters anyway. I stressed about not living up to expectations for the longest time, but finally realized none of it matters. "Nobody cares" or "Nobody gives a shit" were the phrases I found.

And I don't mean that in a depressing way at all. In fact, the idea was incredibly freeing. Nobody cares if I create a masterpiece anymore than they care if I create a piece of crap drawing or simply stay home and watch Netflix all day. They're more concerned with THEIR lives and how people will view THEM than they are with whatever it is I'm doing.

That was a great, freeing thought. Nobody cares. I'm free to create good art, crappy art, or no art at all. It's not like "the gifted patrol" is going to come to my house, shoot me, and set my dog on fire because I didn't live up to their expectations.

Same with the social media aspect- I used to be super fixated on likes, comments, reviews, and all that stuff because I didn't want people to think I sucked. I had something to prove! I was destined to be a star!

Now?

Couldn't care less! I don't read reviews anymore. Switched off the notifications so I never even see when they come in. Not in an egotistical "I'm better and smarter than you so I don't need feedback" sort of way, but more in a "I'm doing this for fun- I had fun making this so it doesn't matter if anyone liked it because I felt fulfilled simply by doing it" sort of way.

So I say: don't worry about doing something meaningful. Do what brings you joy. Do what you find fulfilling. If that doesn't make you any money, find a job you can tolerate and make your living that way while you pursue your art on the side.

And hey, maybe your artwork will impact someone and make their day. Maybe like the culinary artist it will be only a single person- but to that single person your art could change their entire outlook on life.

So don't be disillusioned! Sure, we'll all die someday and maybe in the end none of it will matter, but between now and then we owe it to ourselves to live our lives to the fullest and share our enthusiasm with everyone else. Ya never know- it could turn someone's crappy day into a slightly less crappy day.

Like I said, this was a good post. You gave me a lot to think about. Thank you :)

I have nothing to add other than I agree/sympathize, but I also want to acknowledge that I read this and am happy to have made someone write several paragraphs today

You mean to tell me these feelings of existential dread aren't unique to me and we have a shared realization that we're unimportant vessels of chemical reactions? Let's do drugs and have sex in public sometime. You know, for the dopamine and whatnot ;)

@kungfuspacebarbarian I read the OP and then I read your post too. In the spirit of kind optimism, I figured I'd let you know that I was deeply moved by everything I just read.

However in the spirit of honest nihilism I just have to tell you that it was all a huge waste of time. It was a waste of time for Emrox. It was a waste of time for me. Perhaps least importantly though, it was a complete waste of your time as well. I hope you got your fun juices flowing from sharing deeply personal reflections on a blog posted to newgrounds. I got off on it too, guilty as charged! Let's all do drugs and have sex in public sometime. Ecstacy orgy in the middle of the road is on my bucket list and this may be the closest I ever get to it D:

Yeah I've gone through all of this: grandiosity to disillusionment to acceptance.

I accept that I am average, finally.

We all have to come to this realization. Especially those of us with artificially inflated self-esteem. Almost every millennial coming of age has been conditioned this way.

It was a failed experiment with good intentions that only produced overly-confident, under-performing people. In many ways this crippled us more than accepting we're average would have. Live and learn.

The only thing I can do now is make the lives of the people and animals around me better. Also, all of us here who have created art have entertained people and I think thats good enough. Even if its a small moment of joy brought into the world, it was worth it.

If I've learned anything at all in my decades on this spinning mud ball, it's that there's no sense in being too hard on yourself. That's what other people are for. I mean, I can't help but laugh as I write it, but damned if it isn't true.

That said, I still tend to be pretty hard on myself...especially when life feels like it's hit the skids, and this year has been pretty much just that. Some days I seem to be my own worst enemy, and that's coming from a guy who finds negative self-talk to be a boring and ultimately pointless proposition. But then, I've always been more than a little contradictory.

Life doesn't go how we want it to most of the time. We all make our plans and watch them fall apart, time and time again. Hope for something, desire good things in life with all your heart, but do your level best to never place any kind of expectation on anyone--including yourself. Expectations are the most surefire road to disappointment, heartache, and feelings of resentment.

Hopefully this doesn't sound too pretentious, but a lot of good things come with age. Understanding, wisdom, acceptance, and of course the big catch-all term we all know and love: experience. Some comes easy, while other lessons are hard-won, but learning is probably the most important thing that we, as humans, do. So keep learning, from successes and failures, and just keep moving forward in whatever way you deem best.

As an interesting little anecdote, I once dated (and very nearly married) someone who was over a decade my junior. She was possessed of an almost self-prophesying fear of failure that I simply could not understand. I mean seriously, our failures tend to teach us much more than our successes, and it's really quite impossible to avoid them on the whole. The important thing, of course, IS to learn from them...especially to avoid making the same dumb mistakes over and over. Anyway, when we were engaged, she told me all about her 10-year plan. As she was regaling me with this lengthy diatribe about how the next decade of her life was all mapped out in her mind, all I could do was stare back at her in disbelief. When she was finished, I asked her if she truly believed that all would go as planned, to which she responded, "What do you mean?"

Life can never be boiled down to some written-in-stone plan; not of the 10-year variety, or even 10-day for that matter. Hell, sometimes it feels like just getting through the next 10 minutes takes everything you've got. And yeah, we all make our plans, but we need to be able to roll with the punches, too. That not really something you can learn from a textbook or some on-the-job training course. Take those failures, every one of those learning opportunity defeats, and use them to hone yourself into the person you want to become. Book-smarts are fantastic, but it's the street-smarts that will help you pull through the stuff that no one can prepare for.

Now I'm sure that Quarl will want to hang out, do some drugs, and ultimately drag me into the orgy because I wrote all of this. Or not, simply because I already brought it up and spoiled the fun. But hey, I'm cool with whatever. We're all just a bunch of silly old people, stumbling around and pissing on the world, one post at a time. And maybe nothing and no one really matters at all because existence is a lie, as the nihilism handbook says. Then again, maybe some things actually do matter, and man...I would sure hate to be on the wrong side of things when it all shakes out.

Honestly, I don't get anything out of this. I don't get off on spending time trying to pass on a little of my own personal experience. In fact, I kind of loathe giving out advice that is - more often than not - completely ignored and utterly wasted. You can tell someone over and over not to touch the stove because it's hot, but the burnt hand always teaches best. But hey, in my experience it never hurts to try anyway. Just keep moving forward at your own pace, and I wish you all the best. I'll leave you with this little bon mot, in the hopes that it will make you smile:

Life isn't always a bowl of cherries; it's usually just the pits.

The world is your oyster, but more often then not there is no pearl inside, so might as well enjoy the ride to bottom of the abyss. or some other dumb platitude. Now where the hell is Waldo?

Lower left corner

'Maybe you hate it, but the joke's on you because you read it, and I have subtly affected your life, and that means I win.'

Best way to end that train of thought

I know from personal experience that, you are better off following that ´´impact´´ than ignoring it.It will burn you alive and eventually, you won´t even be able to recognise yourself in the mirror.

Yeah, steaks are delicious man. I had one just hours ago. Totally agree

Also, pretty cool pep talk

I don't know your point but I did find Waldo

I feel this post, haven't accomplish anything but I all I wanna do is be creative, make art and just mostly do what makes me happy.

I believe a lot of what you posted goes along with "growing up." I find it a little sad that it's taken me 40 years to "grow up" and come to grips with a lot of these feelings. It's still a journey, but, for me, a lot of the fulfillment in my life comes from finding who I really am and trying to be ever-more-true to that being.

One thing lately I've been focusing on is, rather than trying to create for a mass audience, doing things that are more genuine to my interests and hoping to connect with a smaller group that might also appreciate what I'm offering.

It's tough to break through the "noise" or "jadedness" out there though so people will give you more than a passing glance (if that).

I definitely understand this kind of dichotomy, as I'm sure many others on here as artists do as well. That one scene in Patch Adams where he regales the quibbles of aging by stating all of our actions here on Earth for any living situation that permits as much are intended to distract us from the process and inevitabilities of aging. Artists are more or less just people that refuse to grow up to as much of an extent as they can conceive of by insisting they want to create something that might bear fruit or that they can perform as a service (the latter being the far more likely prospect) and most any artist wants their work seen by as many people as possible. The world seemed a lot smaller during the wild-west ages of the internet when clicks on peoples' content on social media never amounted to anything beyond numbers and anything that was to consequently follow in that person's life had to do with their own drive and volition for continuing to purvey their art onto the world (take Tay Zonday for instance; the Chocolate Rain dude just segued into his music career by chasing the lion of success from that budding point). Now that people capitalize directly through these clicks (yes, advertisers on sites and the like have always existed, but the concept of capitalizing as a user on a site was fairly new unless that person were a writer working on commission or something) it's a lot more volatile of an experience for people to feel like they have a real shot at making a difference and as you pointed out, you can unearth instances of people trying extremely hard to do something and failing if you want to because this has all been attempted by person after person hundreds of times over. We get a corporeal glimpse into the fact that we're a microcosm in our attempts at crafting something noticeable and the clock is always ticking with no escape as far as whether we will be able to prove ourselves by making something culturally significant, but our outlook is the more malleable factor. We can start seeing things differently by thinking that maybe instead of running our own show, we can be a cog in the wheel and work as an inbetweener at Nickelodeon, thus contributing to something seen by many and leaving us to feel perhaps a less robust yet very real sense of existential fulfillment.

It's odd growing up as a millennial. Everything right down to the way it developmentally stunts you to see everything right at your feet; it feels like a constant state of paralysis by analysis to have to make any clear decision of what to do and as you said, it's not uncommon for people to try to put a fire under our asses as far as making something and advancing to the next plane goes. I've always felt that I've been trying to do as much as I can yet seeing little actually occur; likely because persistence in one craft is the only real way to see advancement of any larger kind occur. There's no telling how much longer we'll be on this rock but all we can do is try.

I'm just paraphrasing a lot of what you already said though really so I'll stop on that note.

About eight years ago I got a very clear shot of feeling "destined to do something VERY important" when I made a game and lots of people talked about it and said it was something important and new ^^; It's taken me a very long time to recover from that feeling! I found a lot of comfort, joy, and motivation in searching for the things that just bring me joy to DO, regardless of whether or not even a single person will be able to appreciate it.

The specter of relevance does loom dark. This past week I've been having a little bit of an existential crisis, and I desperately want to at least be working on a project that I let myself imagine might matter to a few people again, so that's probably my plans for 2021. Still, reconnecting with that pure internal pleasure is so worth it, if it's something you've at all lost. I think legitimate and deeply meaningful impacts can happen at every level -- from global, to within a city, to within small personal circles of 10 people or 5 people or 2 people, to art that simply exists to affect the artist and nobody else.

At least, it helps me to try and make myself think that way, now and then :)

This might not be helpful, but said game is *still* very important to me!

Maybe if I do something important that will make you re-important by proxy.

^I wanted to end the reply right there, but that would come off like a non-acknowledgement of what you were actually saying. I agree, and have thought it's probably personally easier to be deeply important to one person than it is to be important for lots and lots of people. maybe people who are looking to do important things should start on the small local scale and work their way up. There's something poetic about letting the starting point be your own private self-satisfaction, but maybe you can scale down even further and make something important to a smaller entity than even your own self. (I have no idea what this means but had fun trying to imagine)

@Emrox Thanks for saying so! It's genuinely strange; it feels like something I had no control over, it just sort of happened to me and changed my life. I guess I'm speaking from this very particular perspective, but years of "trying to do something important" didn't really turn up much, so I've refocused on "trying to do something that satisfies me" and the important part has sort of warmed up on its own in the background.

The thing about large-scale importance and relevance is it's fundamentally unpredictable--if they were predictable, people would predict them, harvest the importance/relevance, and then it would be gone again.

I suppose this is really more like saying, it's predictable, but it's a huge undertaking to be at the top of that pile, and I've opted out in favour of making my life better ? but I don't think I was ever very good at that prediction game anyway.

So, starting on the small local scale isn't exactly what I'd advise anyone to do... the important part is to *work on something that's achievable* and as meaningful as possible under that constraint, rather than on buying the lottery tickets that have the highest jackpots.

~

I love what you've said about making something important to a smaller entity than even your own self. It's really an amusing and weird thought.

With a whole world of people out there and a lot of Big Problems that I don't have the skill set to solve, I hope to just not contribute to making the world worse if possible, and to maybe make things a little better at the smaller scale of people who know me. Your work has already had such an effect on my life by being entertaining and thoughtful and helping motivate my to create more too. I can only assume that the same applies to the other people who follow your work too!

You know there are also a lot of medium-sized problems that don't get a lot of attention. Some of the guys I'm inspired by right now are just people who have their mind fixed on a very specific thing that most people don't realize may be a big deal. (did you know the guys who worked out the first COVID vaccine were working on a very similar virus for years and years & had no idea how useful their research would be?) Then there's this game dev guy I follow who's really disillusioned with the state of the software industry, and he gave a talk a little bit ago about how he thinks this might be a very serious existential threat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRHeXYDLko

I guess my point is that while there's all these big and obvious problems like 'climate change', 'bad world leaders', 'gun violence' etc with no obvious solutions, there are also littler things that you can care about where an individual could make a difference. I've been framing this as "solving problems" but obviously this applies to making art too. Probably moreso since there are so many directions you can go with art stuff, and practically infinite unexplored territory. By being competent and just picking a thing to work on that not a lot of other people are thinking about, you have a reasonable shot at making a difference as an individual.

I don't have examples off the top of my head, but I know it's very common in the history of physics that the missing piece to some big important theory was some arbitrary math stuff that was developed by a random dude 200 years ago with no practical application in mind. I used this same sort of thought experiment in my post, but if 1000 people develop "useless maths" in their spare time, and only 10 of them contribute something that ends up being very valuable, does that mean the other 990 should have given up because they were just wasting their time? Obviously not, because we needed all 1000 to try to find the 10 that mattered. So as it applies to us, even if you focus on something totally arbitrary that doesn't end up going anywhere, that's okay, because the valuable thing is lots of people at least trying. You might not get the fame and glory, but that's supposed to not be the point, right?

I'm retreading on stuff I already said and I had meant for this to be more of a "thanks Dave!"-style response so I'll get to that part now. Thanks, Dave! I always thought your stuff had me beat in the thoughtfulness department, so that's funny to hear. You have been a motivating force in my life as well, and I hope these days you're working on something cool!

@Emrox Just to add another example to the list: one thing that's made global illumination lighting in 3D rendering feasible in the last decade is an algorithm from the '50s (Metropolis sampling) to get better lighting estimates with fewer rays cast. It was written with chemistry in mind but now it's being used in a totally different setting. So I guess you never know what people will make with your work!

Not sure how I missed this, but yeah, somehow you verbalised my thoughts 80-90% exactly. Maybe it'll become 100% once I'm ≥25.

The getting bogged down, never finishing anything, feeling like whatever you make has to have an impact etc., is the solution to bash things out and abandon that "responsibility"? I have a habit of judging clients' material for a total lack of message, which in a cynical sardonic story, people may unconsciously find a totally unintended message to take from it. Teenagers can totally find some nonsensical "truth" in short-sighted cartoons that are concerned only with the gag and not the overall mood or theme. I feel a bit dirty helping these ideas come to fruition, but then again turning that whole thing on me, it's just as likely (if not more) that I'm just being a supercilious twat.

I never liked that word "supercilious" cause my mom used to say it a lot and she's one of those people who uses big words on purpose and it's annoying. I only just bothered to look up what it means now and I feel slighted because I know at least one of those times she was using it to describe me.

Bashing stuff out is definitely something any artist should be able to do, if only to get more experience more quickly, and I've definitely felt how being more critical of everything can really slow things down. So what does that mean for the "content" of the stuff you crank out? ...Well, in my experience the stuff that you make when you sit down and force yourself to come up with something is usually not devoid of meaning in the same way generic hollywood movies or lame mario parodies are - as long as you are a person who has a taste for things that are new and different, your brain doesn't really allow you to make stuff that that has zero substance to it. The only thing you really have to work to avoid is repeating yourself. (and fortunately that's pretty easy if you don't produce much, so get moving!)

^That's been my own experience, anyway. I have a lot to say about this stuff, but another thing that came to mind just now is that as long as you don't pretend to have some deep meaning when there is none, it's kind of fine to not have anything specific to say. And don't forget the substance of what you're making can just be an interesting take on the craft - some new technique or style or whatever. Some of my favorite movies just completely abandon the idea of saying something meaningful or even pretending to say something meaningful and just go all in on making it cool from a cinematic perspective, and that kind of thing is pretty refreshing when the hollywood norm is to have some epic moment where they start dropping philosophical truth bombs around the 3/4 mark. (The kind where you think about it for three seconds and realize what they're saying is actually retarded.)

AND don't forget that you can just make stuff and not release it anywhere! Then you don't have to worry about polluting any minds. I've been doing that with my music stuff, and something interesting I noticed is that I'm allowing myself to rip off other artists I like more than I would if I were releasing everything I make (since it's embarrassing to be very obviously derivative.) I used to rag on people for being unoriginal all the time, but now I have an appreciation for how that sort of thing can be a stepping stone to making something original and good. I'd like to think I'm making a difference by *not* unloading all of my knock-off crap into the big sea of user-generated content! (Wow, I tied it back into the original post!) Anyway, you can apply that same logic to having purpose more generally - if you don't think what you're making has enough merit, you can always just keep it to yourself! (Making lots of unreleased stuff is probably pretty unattractive if you're concerned with chasing twitter likes or hustling to make a name for yourself, but I found I don't care too much about that stuff since finding steady work... maybe it's the same for you?)

Anyway, hopefully some of that will be helpful with any mental roadblocks you might have in regards to "bashing things out." Personally I think shitting out a lot of stuff is a really good way to learn a lot quickly, so if you can figure out how to do it then hell yeah.

Also, I wasn't 25 yet when I wrote this, so fuck you!

@Shufflehound @Emrox That's why it's such a good word, it sounds exactly like the kind of word that kind of person would use. One who uses 'supercilious' to describe someone else, they're in turn describing themselves.

I get the intent behind not releasing rip-off stuff, but it could mean more people stick around for the original stuff afterward. The audience comes for the faux-nostalgia/whatever-the-hell, but stay for the original way that it was presented (once the superficial familiarities are removed, or when you find your "voice"). I guess that's the twitter-like-name-hustling side of things, but maybe it's more heartbreaking to release something meaningful, to no fanfare whatsoever. (ofc that's no problem to anyone who can bash-out things that are also meaningful, to eventually build up a following). That's the marketer's side of my brain speaking anyway.

I think that's why I'm getting my more rip-offy music out the way now, to build up experience and potentially get more shares (if my cynicism's correct), before getting my favourites mixed as best as they can be (from what I learnt before) and releasing those.

ok but be careful with that! Reminds me that a long time ago someone around here coined an idea they called the "100,000 sub rule" - that it was fine to make pop-culture parody/clickbaity stuff to build an audience, as long as you graduate to making original content once you hit the 100k milestone. But then what would happen is people would amass a following of people who want to see minecraft videos, then start making their own thing, and then their viewership would drop like 80% cause it wasn't what that audience had signed up for.

The big dropoff is probably less likely if you have a strong voice and real artistic merit, since presumably some people would be coming back to see *you* and not just minecraft, so maybe it can be done if you're good.